so how much would you pay to race in FM.24.08?
I think 2005 was $10, 2006 was $10 and 2007 was $15. Those are an amazing deal for a race like this. 24 hour races are often more like $45-$75 per person for the weekend.
I'm gonna throw $25 out there as a number that sounds reasonable to me. This doesn't mean more profit for FM or anything, it means bigger better prizes, more of them, and perhaps things like $1k cash prizes.
Would you pay $25 to race or is that too much?
Would you pay more?
What's the most you would pay?
$25!
You mean on top of my plane ticket! Geez!
'Course dude, that is reasonable. How about 20 if you pre register, 25 if you don't, 30 if you don't and you whine?
the details will be worried
the details will be worried about more later, but i'd say is real likely there will be a pre-registration discount.
Das Fahrradgemeinschaft
Last year I floated the cost of two teams, including entry fees and team tee-shirts. This year I'd like to help build up four teams for a total of twenty-four riders.
Floating the extra expense in entry fees would suck, as I've mostly an eye towards greater inclusion and expanding the number of people who like FM's kind of urban cycling. I'm not really interested in the prizes, only the experience.
Understood, but perhaps
Understood, but perhaps people should "beard up" when they want to race and give you their precious little green pieces of paper?
Counterargument?
I noticed ya didn't counter the "I've mostly an eye towards greater inclusion and expanding the number of people who like FM's kind of urban cycling. I'm not really interested in the prizes, only the experience."
This is a value argument, largely: I don't really see how paying extra is really going to improve the experience for me or other recreational riders. Ask yourself how many of the riders in the field last year were really in it to kill the competition.
FM24 is fun, but in increasing costs for the sake of more/better prizes I don't believe you're really adding any value for the bulk of your riders. You're just increasing cost.
Are there other unstated goals for increasing cost? Like shedding rec riders and trying to attract more competitive riders while keeping the size of the field constant? Or will the infrastructure behind the race be substantially more expensive this year? What's going on here and who's been discussing costs?
That
is a good argument. I am sold on keeping it cheapie and change my vote to no change.
There are lots of other
There are lots of other things that a few more $ would be helpful with. Tracking system related things, upfront expenses related to merchandise, prizes both maybe a bigger prize for 1st place, but also better prizes for 2nd and 3rd and on down the list, and more prizes for things not related to howfast/howhard like craziest gear ratio, best costume worn for ful 24 hours, etc.
Beard Up
This seems to be a really prize-oriented argument, and I'll go back to my argument that FM24 hasn't really been about prizes, rather the experience.
Perhaps we should start another thread about the tracking system and merch stuff to clarify what the challenges and expenses are there.
I'll go with no increased expense. 15$ a head, and some marginal uptick for the price of late or day-of-race registration sounds good for a field of around 250 people.
(Note: FM.24.08 is not open
(Note: FM.24.08 is not open source. It will be organized by a group of people so that we can more effectively plan and manage an event of this scale within time restrictions without going insane. This group of people will make the decisions. If you want to help, email 24@fastermustache.org. )
There will be other threads about how much things cost and there will be a budget before things are finalized. I just wanted to discuss entry fees in public to take that into consideration early on. If everyone thinks $25 takes the fun out of it, that's important to know, but if people think $25 is worth it if it makes aspects of the event better, or if they think $25 is worth it for more/better prizes, that is also important to know.
edit: your response is duly noted :)
C'mon, Chris
"Not open source" is pretty clear to me.
If you are, in fact, soliciting arguments for or against cost increases, then don't get too petulant if don't read what ya wanna read...
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I'm with Jase on this. I can't really think of much that I'd want to be added to FM24 that would justify a further increase in price. I know a lot of people were bummed last year that they shelled out for the entry fee and didn't even get a spoke card, so I think it's probably worth reconsidering what the money gets spent towards. It's cool having nice prizes, but that's not why most people show up.
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with the strength of the dollar right now, I'd say this is more than fair. Just don't make it 25 euros!
Inflation
Paul, inflation has been bad, but it's not around 60%.
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Jase, it's a joke. Gimme a chuckle, will ya?
(*chuckle*)
Ah, crap.
You're right.
Damn that hurt to write "you're right."
How about?
Keep fees at the same level for early registration, increase by 5 for later registration and an additional 5 for either day of or week of registration?
see above. this will
see above. this will happen.
this discussion isn't about how much entry fees will be, but how much people would be willing to pay if they had to. entry fees will not be a direct result of this, but it will be useful for budgeting worse case scenario of race expenses.
"This Will Happen..."
Now I'm really curious who's calling the shots on this.
Uh oh
It is looking like this thread is going to turn into a special olympics qualifier.
Ja, You're Right
I think I'll leave Chris to compete solo.
I for one don't see the
I for one don't see the exact need for an increase in entry fees (yet, I have not seen a spreadsheet of last years "true" expenses yet), but I believe that better fiscal management will allow for cooler prizes (read: cash money).
Also, if the increase does happen, I have an idea of where it will go... paying for the venue (we outgrew Johnny's last year).
Dunno about cash
Money, even trivial amounts, make people do weird stuff and often turns them nasty - I would hate to see people get overly worked up because there is cash involved.
If there is a prizes concern, I think it is that we need to make sure that the prizes for the first women's team are as good as the overall winners prizes (and yes I am assuming that the winning team will be made up of boys - I think Melissa posted something about lung capacity explaining why that tends to happen and I am fairly comfortable with my assumption even though it would be cool if I got proved wrong).
thats the final straw.
thats the final straw. locking this thread! someone want to talk to me about this, figure out a time to meet me for lunch some time.