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rule clarifications two questions: 1.)do all riders need to be present at 11am or just their waivers? 2.)what does a lap? the baton or one rider? i.e. can two riders split up a lap? what if one rider goes down? is the lap forfeit and a new one started or can another rider pick up where the 1st left off? what if the rider isn't really incapacitated just lazy? |
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i'm not the rule-maker
but with respect to #2:
if it's the card that counts and not the rider, then that would put solo folks (or teams with less than 6) at an unfair disadvantage in terms of competing for fastest lap, etc. otherwise you could have a rider at each checkpoint, sprint a mile or two, then hand off the card.
good observation but
then only a team would get the fastest lap and not and individual. individual fastest laps count, not teams fastest laps. this is about an individuals ability not a groups. stop trying to turn this libertarian focused race into some socialist propaganda! soloist always have an advantage over teams because at the end of it I is what won the race and not the team. there is no I in team.
no I
no team
no mind
no Buddha
solo folks have their own
solo folks have their own category -- no disadvantage there.
teams get to pick how many people they have. if they pick less than 6, it's their choice. Team choice, not team disadvantage.
But I totally agree that the rules should be clarified. is it the baton that must go around? or one rider (and only one rider) with a baton that must go around?
Yep, thats exactly what
Yep, thats exactly what prompted this query. (Hmmm, the closer Alex gets the more my diction changes.)
Frankly I think a team can and should be allowed to win fastest lap, but no worries, nobody else ever agrees with me, so no harm. tic. vbg.
EDIT: This was allowed last year, as in it wasn't specifically disallowed, but again no worries, cuz last year you could visit the checkpoints in the order of your choosing, so there.
A team can choose not to
A team can choose not to associate a rider with a lap as far as the tracking system goes but right now there is no category for fastest team lap. There is one for fastest male lap and one for fastest female lap, and the m/f is picked by specifying the rider that completed the lap.
Want to stage some rideculous sprinting from checkpoint to checkpoint and claiming one person did it? Thats definitely against the spirit of things but it'll be hard to catch. (And will likely hurt the number of laps that your team completes. Teams will want to win the most number of laps.)
Yes, thanks. "Want to stage
Yes, thanks.
"Want to stage some rideculous sprinting from checkpoint to checkpoint and claiming one person did it?"
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It musta been late and we were getting punchy, but I think the fact that the distances between checkpoints are all different would be a big hint that its a conceptual question.
In the spirit of things, encouraging racers to seek clarification seems to be far better than the alternative.
Last year at the end of the race our team was looking for ways to include and acknowledge the effort of everyone so we considered several options and finally just did the ride up North Highland as a group. I hope this wont be a problem again this year?
ride bikes! my answer as
ride bikes! my answer as assuming your question was conceptual and not speculative.
The best way to acknowledge effort of everyone is obviously to win, but feel free to ride around in circles as much or as little as you want whenever (and wherever you want), knowing that theres this little RFID that has to go 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 etc for us to give you nice things at the end of the race :)
Will there be a 1 reader and
Will there be a 1 reader and a separate 6 reader at Johnny's?
Yes, as previously
Yes, as previously discussed, there will be an IN reader and an OUT reader.
Thanks. Now that you mention
Thanks. Now that you mention it, I might remember that.
I just saw the 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 pattern and immediately started wondering if ... 5 6 1 6 2 3 ... was going to happen after a beer or two and what the result would be.. With separate readers, that's not nearly as likely! Yall smart!!!
search the boards. this came
search the boards. this came up last year.
and oh yeah, we just need
and oh yeah, we just need the waivers at race start.
EDIT
Jason, you know how the race works. Quit asking questions and giving other people ideas.
The rules are here:
http://24.fastermustache.org/rules.html
#16 and 17 should be closely paid attention to.
http://fastermustache.org/nod
Jason, you know how the race works. Quit asking questions and giving other people ideas.
The rules are here:
http://24.fastermustache.org/rules.html
#16 and 17 should be closely paid attention to.
Ummm, relax Seth. The title
Ummm, relax Seth.
The title of the thread is clarification. Your/CK's clarification is sufficient, editorializing is not.
We were just sitting around talking about the race, ie. scheduling and speculating on what other teams might do, etc. and what we could do in response. The request for clarification is an honest and completely legitimate post.
You might wanna apologize to Jason.
I know I went off a bit...
I know I went off a bit... but we post the rules for a reason.... these 'what if' situations you cook up are a bit annoying. All they do is cast doubt and make people freak the fuck out.
You've raced previous years, so you know how it works.
Each rider on a team goes out on his own, completes one lap, hands the baton off to the next rider.
Exceptions:
Solo teams - there's only one rider.
So.....
So as a solo rider, I have to complete all the laps on my own? I cannot hand off the baton to another member of my solo team? How am I going to foster camaraderie and team spirit on my solo team, without working together with each individual team member?
I am going to feel so all alone!
right on. i was wondering if
right on. i was wondering if the __21__ pre registered solo racers have any idea what racing solo actually means.
after a couple hours riding
after a couple hours riding in the mid-day sun and heat the other week, and then seeing the weather report for race day(s), I knew solo wasnt meant for me this year.
But I will still break out a bottle of tequila at sundown for anybody (still) racing solo!!!!
21!
Yippee! Looks like we have us a horse race!
Me and all my solo team members are thrilled!
Do you publish a participants list before the race?
participants will only get
participants will only get "publishes" when their name shows up in the race tracker as having completed a lap.
CK, can you add a line in
CK, can you add a line in Lap Definition on the rules.html that something to the effect of:
"Checkpoints in order."
I know it's #1 in the Official Rules section... but repetition is needed to make it stick sometimes.
umm, I smell sarcasm, so go
umm, I smell sarcasm, so go ahead and add that a lap must be completed by the same rider, cuz its not in the rules, explicitly. (sorry but software creates detail oriented people)
Of course what your clarification means is that if you get hit by a car or just a flat tire, you'd be well advised to schedule it before lenny's instead of coming home from Nobrakes. This clarification only increases the role of luck, it doesn't minimize it. So you can decide if thats in the spirit of things.
i added the in order part
i added the in order part because it is mentioned in the rules above already.
The rules and suggestions and info page is too friggin long and next year will be much shorter without any repetition because it won't be needed because the whole thing will be so short.
Please note this
Please note this comment:
http://fastermustache.org/node/4302#comment-55815
Learn from it,
1) how to convey USEFUL information.
2) how not to be a dick.
What? Are we still talking
What? Are we still talking about this?
shut up. dick.
shut up. dick.
OT
I bought those wheels. Good product, good price. I hate you... and I'll be seeing you around 5:30 if you're at the shop.
aww seth, i hate you too.
aww seth, i hate you too.
hey, this is just
hey, this is just clarification! i don't want anyone pissing their pants AFTER the race because this wasn't set in stone.
For the record, we (as a team) won't be trying to get "The Fastest Lap", either as a team or by lying and saying that one person did this. We only want to do fast laps, period.
Like CS said, we had thought about this near the end of last year but decided not to do it because it wasn't pre defined as acceptable. Don't expect us to be this pussy-footed this year. If its not on the rules page, we'll be splitting up laps.
http://fastermustache.org/node/2371
i'll close with this: the
i'll close with this: the rules aren't all inclusive and explicitly state this.
if the race officials feel like you're doing something not ok, your lap will be invalidated or (more likely) you'll be disqualified completely. If you're treating a lap 3 people did in parts as one person and trying to get a prize for fastest lap from it, thats grounds for dismissal. If you're doing something to get more laps than the distance covered by riders on your team, thats grounds for dismissal.
It's pretty obvious whats fair and what isn't, so do don't do something unfair because the race officials will see it the same way you know it is.
yeah i know. i just don't
yeah i know.
i just don't want to spend the next 365 days having people say "yeah they won but only because the judges, who just happen to be their friends, made a last minute decision."
but that's what we've been
but that's what we've been saying about your bullshit 1st place DIY team rank.
Nope, never crossed our
Nope, never crossed our minds last night.
We are a team and this corner case only came up in the context of completing the most laps as a team. (Seth says its not allowed, but you're ambiguous by just saying checkpoints 1-2-3-4-5-6 equal a team lap.)
Plain fiat and of course the name of the fastest lap prize makes the other interpretation moot, plus Connie raised that issue, it wasn't part of Jason's post.
Who exactly are the race officials? Are they competitors also?
I cant recall anybody disqualified in the past, so this kinda talk is worrisome absent some kinda of clarification and warning beforehand. I think creativity should be afforded some weight in these matters.
so I got a question.
Is there going to be a tracking board where people can see how many laps each team and solo rider has done, or is that just something to be revealed at the end? I think it'd make for a good motivator if we have a running stats board going. If not officially then maybe just a white-board with tallies on it?
theres a live race tracker.
theres a live race tracker. Available on your cell phone and the internets. you can also watch the race live in google earth. Every lap will be on a page as well.
oooh...I'm drooling.
oooh...I'm drooling. How does the mobile one work?
very carefully :) you'll
very carefully :)
you'll find out saturday, just visit the fm24 website and links will show up at the top.
will there be a computer at
will there be a computer at johnny's for everyone to see? I know that the lap counting people (nicki and and xtopher) may have gotten bothered (at least confused and bogged down) constantly telling people what position their team was in.
think large blank wall on
think large blank wall on the side of johnnys...be creative and be really nerdy....go.
we'll do what we can. no
we'll do what we can. no guarantees, but asking for placing will be easier than last year. There may be a wireless network that people can nicely ask me for access to at Johnny's that have laptops..
I think by the time somebody
I think by the time somebody is a full lap ahead of you, you're out of contention. That's a ~14 mile gap! So really it might just discourage people.
Not neccessarily. FBKB was
Not neccessarily. FBKB was ahead of us (12") for a good part of the race... until the beer started flowing and the bands started playing. Then it got cold... and dark... and late. Then we kicked their ass.
yeah, i'm excited for some
yeah, i'm excited for some midnight overtaking.
SO... The beer strategy
SO... The beer strategy works!
Anybody know how late Octane & Aurora are open? Their websites don't seem to know, oddly.
octane 1am. there is a 1%
octane 1am. there is a 1% chance they'll stay open all night. basically it went like this:
jason: yeah race blah blah
barista ben: man it would be sweet if we were open all night
jason: yeah cool, are you volunteering to work that shift?
barista ben: hells no!
1 AM? awesome!! :D thanks!
1 AM? awesome!! :D thanks!
Rule Clarification (on topic!) here
Question 1: You must be in the database (registered) before 11:30. You must check in and sign your waver before your first lap, which can happen whenever you want.
Question 2:
A lap must be completed by a single card-carrying individual. (We have no way of enforcing this but, luckily, we don't have any cheaters coming to our race!)
still on topic...
qusetion 3: fluffy bunny kitty brigade rules.
trying to be clear.
not trying to be a punk or thinking about 'fast' laps at this point...
Scenario:
A rider is struck by a car or gets awful cramps on the route after the 3rd checkpoint. The rider is ok, but can't continue so they call their teammates. The teammates send out a rider to check on their down'd mate and pick up the baton.
Question:
What is the appropriate course of action at this point??
This question is directed to the officials.
Good Question
That lap is DNF. Start over. This is how all 24 hour races are done.
ok, i will take this as the
ok, i will take this as the definitive statement on this rule. (even if it doesn't make it to the official 24.fm.org page; i know you kids got other shit to do than update webpages)