Here's the rundown from the last thread. Really we're having two problems here, one of categories and one of prizes.
Categories:
"Ability" categories
"Serious" vs. "not-so-serious" categories
Sponsored teams vs. non-sponsored teams
Bike weight categories (>20 lbs vs. <20 lbs. - average bike weight or lightest bike on team)
Solo category (not controversial)
I vote that either have team/solo categories only, or divide the teams on some sort of easy-to-determine qualifier such as sponsors or bike weight or out-of-townness. Otherwise who decides what your "ability" is or how "serious" you are? There is much more potential for abuse of the system regardless of whether this is self-evaluated or divided by the race organizers. We will not get accused of unfairness if there is a difference that we measure/quantify before the race starts. If anybody has better measurements to divide on, chime in.
As to the signup form, if we use a definite category measurement we can assign teams to categories LATER (at the race itself). Logistically this may be the best way to go just because it uncomplicates things now.
Prizes:
"Better" or different incentive prizes for the higher ability group
First prize $$$
Prizes for top 10 teams
Superlative prizes (best lap time male/female, slowest lap time?, rode a half century or century, most enthusiastic, biggest crash, etc.)
I am definitely in favor of more prizes, and not cash if we can help it. I think cash will compound the problem of people not doing this primarily for fun and pride. If regular FMers are afraid of getting smoked by sponsored teams that come in 1-5, the two vaguely fair remedies are categories (see discussion above) or awarding more prizes. Also, adding superlative "fun" prizes on top of Laps Earned winners makes everybody feel like maybe possibly they could score a prize, which lifts general morale and good feeling about the race.
Oh, and I think everyone can agree on Brett's idea of champagne, so that's a go.
[edit by ck: changed title to prizes. This is about prizes now. categories have been decided elsewhere]
My take:
Categories: team/solo and fastest. (gender it on fastest like last year) The end.
Prizes:
First place: CASH MONEY
Second and so on: stuff... possibly including pudding cups and a gift card to TGIF.
Last place: Red Jersey
Superlatives: Stuff, like a trophy, or porn, or a trophy made of porn. Hand them out for things like "Hottest rider" and "Other hottest rider" and "Also a really hot rider"
Edit - Yeah big +1 on the champagne.
Save the cash prize for your own race in '08
Dude, stop trying to make this all about you.
Uh oh... somebody call the
Uh oh... somebody call the wahbulance.
My opinion
Categories:
Team
Solo (or make a super rocking prize for most laps)
Prizes:
First Place: If it's cash money, it had better not be much. Gift certificate to a LBS, various prizes that can be fairly shared around by 6 people, etc.
Second Place - cool shit
Third Place - cool shit
Superlative prizes: Stuff
Fastest Lap - Male
Fastest Lap - Female
Hottest Bike
Best Outfit
Craziest Outfit
Person who slept least - coffee shop gift certificate
Most spectacular crash
Team with the most flats
First all fixed team
I also like the idea of things like fastest 20th lap, fastest 30th lap, etc.
Woah now, no reason to start
Woah now, no reason to start another thread on this! Categories sounded like they were pretty well decided as team and solo. This is not a categories thread but a prizes thread. kthx. (The categories thread is still only 1 page even)
+1
+1
Change this thread to the
Change this thread to the proper heading.... "Prizes"
addressing lack of comfort with awarding cash prizes
what if there was some encouragement for the winning team to split the pot with some charitable bike advocacy organization of their choosing? or whatever organization.. like the NRA or NAMBLA.
yeah...
those marlon brando lookalikes really are pretty hard up for cash right now...
i don't see anything wrong
i don't see anything wrong with a cash prize.
but if they split the pot with a certain big organization (it's a great idea, btw), i also think it would be cool to give some back to the fm fund for the next year's race.
How many competitions
How many competitions encourage to give prizes back to the organizer?
I think a cash prize would stop all the bitching cold. Last years prizes were pretty awesome, but someone is always bound to complain about something. I don't know a single person who wouldn't be happy about a fist full of green.
How many competitions
How many competitions encourage to give prizes back to the organizer?
Gonna have to agree with you there.
what if you're irrationally
what if you're irrationally terrified of the colour green?
move to
move to mexico
http://www.cancunsource.com/images/PESO_500.jpg
But I think that's the
But I think that's the problem, exactly. IMO, this race should not be about prizes. Whatever the prize is, it should be considered a bonus on top of the credit/recognition/glory of winning. Further, if possible, I think it should be a tangible commemoration of the recognition. (i.e. a trophy, messenger bag, t-shirt, patch, etc.) Do we really want to cater to the people who'd be sour about winning anything other than money? I say, if you want to earn money for racing bikes, turn pro and let the ameteurs have their fun. Otherwise, if you can't be a gracious winner, don't win.
Otherwise, if you can't be a
Otherwise, if you can't be a gracious winner, don't win.
It's also good to be a gracious loser (loser in the "i'm second or below" sense of the word, not in the beck sense of the word).
Novelty Checks look awesome
Novelty Checks look awesome in photos.
i was mainly thinking of
this episode of the fresh prince of bel-aire. it really makes you think.
are prizes purchased or donated?
or some combination of both?
last year it was a
last year it was a combination of both. see the sponsors on
http://fastermustache.org/fm24/2006/
Octane Gift Certificates
So I'm going to ask my boss to provide some gift certificates as prizes. What do you think the breakdown should be?
1.) six $10 gift cards to be split up amongst a team (not necessarily 1st place)
2.) four $10 gift cards to be split up amongst fastest lap man/woman and most laps man/woman
3.) two $20-$30 gift cards for most laps man/woman OR fastest lap man/woman
get $
how about you get 6 $10 gc's and we decide the purpose later. thanks.
king in the castle, king in the castle
go do this, go do this
who is "we"? seriously, i
who is "we"? seriously, i want to know.
it's whoever you want it to
it's whoever you want it to be. seriously.
Do you know if Octane really
Do you know if Octane really does this that they have pictured (at link below)? I've been waiting for years for an espresso place that understands milk.
http://static.flickr.com/119/300960553_afef95df93.jpg?v=0/p
They used to
There was this buddhist guy who worked there - he was all about impermanence.
Problem with buddhists is that they cannot hold down a steady job, so he quit - impermanence again.
Oh well. I guess it is as it
Oh well. I guess it is as it should be, and I will keep waiting.
Given you degree of detachment
I am sure he would make you one if he was there.
real buddhists
don't need jobs
Yurp.
People really will just throw money at nothing.
or
at people with a ph.d. in religion who claim to be spiritual advisors
I actually thought about
I actually thought about becoming a phlosophcal counselor. Might still do it if the law thing stops working.
The laws are going to quit
The laws are going to quit working?!?!?!? SWEET! NO MORE PANTS!
If you walking around naked
is what lawlessness means, let us hope that it never comes to that.
[edit] Oh, I forgot... you wear diapers, right?[/edit]
LOL... sure, for you, I'll
LOL... sure, for you, I'll wear a diaper.
Pantslessness == Anarchy... sweet sweet Anarchy
I walked through a nude beach last weekend
The vast majority of people who would go around with no pants are people you don't really want to see naked.
Cash
[edited to be nice] - no cash prizes this year, sorry. If you still want to give away cash prizes, figure out a way to get some cash and we will give it away.
Why am I allowed to say that? Because Kurt and I fronted all the money for the prizes that had to be purchased (not all of the prizes this year were purchased, btw). So if anyone wants to front money for a cash prize, pay up and if there is money left at the end, we will pay you back. Deal?
Why am I allowed to say
Why am I allowed to say that?
While I have expressed a pro-cash prize opinion, people who organize a race don't need to justify how they put on the race. js.
no shit X. don't take any
no shit X. don't take any crap from these swine. fucking savages.