Johnny's Pizza on N.Highland (@ Sampson) has offered their location for our race. Their location will be available to us from noon on Oct.14th until whenever on the 15th. This is the soonest we could make it work. There is also a possibility of $1 PBR's for the duration of the race and breakfast on Sunday morning (with a vegan option).
Is a $15 entry fee enough to cover expenses? Can we pre-register on this site?
Also, do we have a route?
We may be able to get a deal on t-shirts from a local boutique--about $2 per shirt. I'm going to check on that today. We need everthing else, though: tracking system, a design for the shirt, for flyers/posters, for a print ad, etc.
i like pizza i like beer
i like pizza
i like beer
pizza and beer make up the
pizza and beer make up the food obelisk
sounds like an excellent
sounds like an excellent location.
15$ is enough if someone figures out the details of what expenses are. It should be enough. Last year this included shirts, spoke cards, and perhaps some beer? I think all prized were donated.
24.fastermustache.org needs to be updated as well. I don't have the time, but can put up whatever someone else comes up with.
oh yeah. the date _cannot_
oh yeah. the date _cannot_ change. I didn't read that in your post. Too many other things have been schedule around it and I won't be able to race that weekend as well as a number of other people. This includes a SOPO event.
i need to know what to do
whether we need to reschedule our two events or not.
*EDIT*
yeah, i can't move our benefit party that's on friday night. that's a really nice thing that bean is doing for us that he offered to do ages ago, which i posted about ages ago. it's especially nice since it's our one year anniversary for getting our shop space.
im playing catch up
Rachael, you made it sound as if your party was on Saturday? So your party is on Friday? why would you have to reschedule anything?
i understand that some people may be a little hung over to start the race on Saturday? is this the conflict? why not extend the sopo anniversary party into the 24 hour race?????
the next weekend (21st) will not work due to the fact that Johnnys has the halloween parade to deal with and will be sorely understaffed due to split staff issues with the parade and so many customers from the parade... (they will be on a float). dealing with a bike race would be too much for the staff since they have been so willing and awesome about hosting the race!
- the weekend of Critical mass (30th) is also a bad weekend for this event due to dealing with getting sponsors and prizes organized.... since there were so many "feelings" about the quality and quantity of prizes last year. Not to mention that the johnny's needs to be stocked and ready for all of us boozehounds. - business of ordering to provide us breakfast and things they don't normally carry.
no, i said it's on friday
because it's on friday.
the conflict is this:
1. i posted in june that sopo is doing an event that day.
2. in the past, there have been problems with things being scheduled too close together, including soured feelings and lessened attendance.
3. while there is an overlap in who participates in both and everyone gets along, there remains a distinction and a history between faster mustache and sopo. it is best if there is no confusion about the fact that the 24hr race is a faster mustache event that has nothing to do with sopo.
3.5 regardless of intent, if y'all go ahead with this weekend, it's going to look REALLY BAD and hurt a lot of feelings.
4. i went through the appropriate channels of communication to express that sopo was planning at least one event that weekend. there was no way for me to know that decisions were being made outside of this messageboard and meetings. this is not fair to me or any of the other people who have been discussing the 24hr race all this time.
is this sufficient?
Date conflict
RE: i posted in june that sopo is doing an event that day.
We are planning to start the race on Saturday and are therefore not sure how this would conflict with an event on Friday?
We checked the FM October Events and there is nothing posted for that weekend.
Although we enjoy the content and its mission it doesn't have a calendar.
The cycling community may benefit from a co-sponsored 24HR race, we should discuss this as a possibility.
Why can't the date change
to the next weekend in Oct--the 21st? It would be the anniversary of the 24hr race. I know it's the same weekend as the L5P Halloween parade, but the route doesn't have to go through that area.
A discussion would need to
A discussion would need to take place with more than a few people for handling a date chage. A lot of planning and consideration went into the original date and I think everything can still be pulled off in time. (The north american 12 hour championship is that weekend as well)
lets discuss it here
October 21st sounds good to me.
dawn called me and we
dawn called me and we discuessed for a few minutes. Look for an objective post from her sometime soon with details of the pros and cons of each weekend as far as schedules, events, locations, etc.
I think
that between conflicting with a Sopo event and anything else, Second Coming included, the choice should be not to conflict with Sopo.
Also, it seems to me that getting a place has been one of the thorniest problems this year because it depends on the willingness of an uninvolved third party to help us out. I think everything else can be solved one way or another (for instance, if the shit hits the rear wheel , we can tell the teams that they have to allocate members who are not racing on any given lap to staff one checkpoint on a rotating basis, for instance).
Some solutions may be more elegant or more ideal than others, but it seems to me that the venue cannot be improvised at the last minute, and that if we do not have a venue we have no race. General awesomeness to Dawn for solving that problem. I am assuming that there is no other chi\oice of venue, no?
How about this? Dawn tells us what flexibility there is in dates, and we try to pin it down in a new post within the constraints she tells us. Once that is set, we will have a better idea of how much time we have to chose tracking systems, routes, food, shirts, haircuts and all else that needs to get done. (For tracking, my other idea is every team carrying a poodle in a messenger bag, which they dunk in tanks of colored dye at different checkpoints - vegetarians and animal rights folks can carry a tofoodle - but we can discuss that in a separate post.)
No, No, NO !!!
This is awful.
Because it would eliminate the option of putting "No poodles were harmed during this event" on our T-shirts.
Not harmed
Just dyed. Besides, that is what the tofoodles are for.
What if we're into poodle
What if we're into poodle mangling? Does it net bonus points?
Nope
If you mangle your poodle you are disqualified for tampering with the tracking mechanism.
Duh!
Whooa, slow down ranger
Perhaps we should withhold judgement on this possibility until we know who all the sponsors are.
If the internet has taught us anything, its that there's an audience for everything, including mangled poodles.
rad
thanks, alex.
what about using a place that is open 24hrs anyway?
what about a private residence?
what about the clermont lounge?
This is kind of a trade off
This is kind of a trade off for Johnny's in that they have just moved to a new location and LLLLOOOOVVVEEEE bikers ... many of their staff are bikers themselves.... ex messengers, mt. bikers, ... They wanted to do it just from the stories John-paul told them after last years event...
they are excited about it!!!
they are central accessible space on N. Highland straight into the city... in terms of planning a route we have tons more possiblities just having such a main lightly moterized vein in the middle of the city... We have an entire parking lot at our disposal not to mention sleeping space and safe bike storage.... food all night and .... BOOOZE! $1 pbr specials!!! they are also located in a SAFE well lighted area of town with no real "Residence" to be concerned about.... they are already opened until 4am. and we have staff wanting to volunteer to work because they like us!!!
- Village was another option but their facility is way to small to host us and they have no room for the people and the bikes... 20 of us there overcrowd them... but they are VALUABLE sponsors.
- The Local was another optionbut it is dangerous for cyclist to be riding about ponce. i know several people who have gotten mugged right there... not to mention the police station for atlanta being across the street! Reminder that we do not have a permit for this....
- besides we have confirmation and bike love already!
I thought about
making my house available (it is near jonny's), but the event would be too large for it.
12 hour championship
So are you going???
do you know anyone who is?
Good job
Good job getting the venue.
Last time we preregistered from the 24Hr race site (http://24.fastermustache.org).
As for the tracking system, there are multiple ideas on the table. One involved scanning your baton at checkpoints and having the scanner send back the information to a central computer. If someone wants to explain the feasibility of this, and actually help make it happen, speak up!
I can't really play a part in the route selection, as I will not be riding in the race (broken heel). But I would like to help in any other way needed. For example, I will help coordinate prizes. As our WOF cycling friends so politely reminded us, the prizes last year weren't the best. So anyone who has talked or is talking to a shop about prizes should let me know so I can log it and keep track.
date change is a big deal
A unilateral date change is a big deal, and not particularly an open process.
Is it because Johnny's is not available on the original agreed upon date or because you don't think the race could be pulled off in time?
A route could be done as late as the begining of the race.
T-Shirts need a week lead time.
Tracking system, same as last year.
The route needs to be
The route needs to be determined in time for the tracking system to be put in place. The tracking system we used last year was OK, but definately had its flaws. The main problem was that the ticket rolls got spun out of control and no one was taking the "end" ticket. We can certainly reuse that system if we have to, but lets see what people have in mind.
1) Tracking system stuff has
1) Tracking system stuff has already been discussed endlessly on previous threads, check them.
2) Main objections were costs, and fallibility.
3) A route and tracking system are independent of each other. Setting up the race course takes but hours, bfd.
Last min planning... = stress
do you have money and prizes to front? i don't... and i work and have other business.. as does everyone else. time is valuable but we also don't want it to get cold on us...
last year we had the KINDNESS of DVA to home print our shirts making them CHEAP...
the DESIGN was donated as well as the advertising in the Creative loafing - spoke cards and flyers... (the money for printing of the flyers and cards and SOME of the shirt cost came out of registration but the time to do them was donated as well as the supplies... i.e. screens)
we also want to make this an enjoyable event! if you are willing to donate ALLL your time it would be good. the 30th is pushing it as far as planning and monitary issues. we have a time saver this year as in we have a MODEL from last year. but we don't have all the same resourses. we want to make it as unstressful for the sponsors as well...
- routes need to be tested and made sure they are efficient and SAFE .... i.e. not many left turns into traffic which can cause accidents with cars, if we decide we have to stop to take tickets or swipe something that it will be safe to do so.
last min planning can accidently overlook many of these things.... I remember riding the route SEVERAL times before the race last year...
Tracking system
endlessly discussed is great, but who has the finished product? You can discuss it forever and not have any results which is why the person who originally was creating the system quit working on it. Christopher stated that we need a route before the tracking system can happen. Guercotti, you said you could create a tracking system easily. Do you need the route first? Can you still make the tracking system happen and let us know when it will be ready?
Tracking is moot. Lets race on original race date.
1) We already have a result and that was to use last year's system.
2) I believe the thread that holds this discussion was titled "Money" in the FM24 category.
Long story short, any system other than last years:
a) pushes the race entry fee to $50/head. Nobody wants that.
b) involve lots of lead time to acquire the equipment. Way too late now, which is why we were discussing it a ways back.
c) involve substanial upfront costs. Nobody was eager for that.
d) additional administrative preparation in case the system fails mid-race.
Decision: last years system.
3) "Do you need the route first?"
Of course not. This is nonsense. There is a whole industry of Timing and Scoring companies that service races every weekend of the year. A route is a route. eos.
4) Can you still make the tracking system happen and let us know when it will be ready?
a) So we buy some rolls of movies tickets.
b) find some newspaper boxes.
Whoever did this for last year, would have the best answer, but this is hardly a reason for a new race date.
Bottomline, the tracking issue is moot. decided on this board.
So lets race on the original date.
If the other person wants to present an finished system and vouch for it by 9/30, then more power to him.
The decision reached on this board is that keeping the original race date and keeping the costs and as simple as possible are far more important than a POC electronic tracking system.
If you don't have a way to track the data
you can't race at all. Guercotti, you talk about wanting this race to happen, but what have you actually done to make it happen? Open source is a democratic idea, but is it working? Last year a few people did all the work and as Christopher stated in his post about the date for the race: 'the "open source" format for decision making will continue but as race planning progresses and time runs out, decisions will be made using any way necessary, with or without the peanut gallery's approval.'
Shirley you don't mean to
Shirley you don't mean to imply there was no tracking last year?
Congrats on finding a willing venue, but I object to your insinuation that my, or anybody else's, comments should be evaluated in light of any contribution to organizing the race. I'm satisfied with my contribution, and its recorded in my posts.
Open-source is not always easy, which is why re-visiting old decisions should not be done lightly.
I think the race is about 3 things
a) riding bikes
b) drinking beer
c) having fun
lets just get the show on.
If FM wants to revisit the date, make it top-level post, its pretty important, and then lets set a Friday deadline for a new date, if needed.
ding ding
Easy peasy my peeps.
Dawn, awesome location and if we're voting I like Oct. 21st better. Tradition!
Maybe we can have a boxing ring w/ those huge boxing gloves at some party?
oh and
I can help with the route
For tracking, maybe we can have last year's system as a backup (for now) and whoever want's to bring fancy technology into this - go for it
See my poodle idea... I
See my poodle idea... I think it beats all.
100% natural wool
If you object to dyeing poodles I think we have some fleece that needs to be dyed anyway... although it may be that vats of bubbling dye placed randomly around the city unattended may draw the attention of Homeland Security.
tracking/date thoughts
what is the tracking system proposed for the later date and who is working on it? i'd hate to see people not able to participate (including myself) and SOPO lose their benefit so that we can aspire for a tracking system that likely won't come to fruition without a plan and specific people working on it.
from what i remember from the several previous threads regarding dates and tracking/scoring. sept 30th is the date and 'high tech' GPS/RFID was considered too expensive and unreliable. participants were more concerned about keeping the price down and having a good time... and i agree.
we could use a roll of quarters and payphones - location identified through caller id. it is hard to find a payphone these days and even harder to find a working payphone. someone would have to actually answer the phone and log it and we could use tickets at these locations for backup. in this case the route would be dependent on the scoring system.
or... we could use the same ticketing system as last year. if people decide to cheat or mess up the ticket rolls that is their issue. i'll sleep soundly ~2PM Oct 1st knowing that i'm not a cheater.
just my thoughts... oh, and for the record i wanted to see the 'high tech' options work. i never got the feeling anyone was actually going to be able to put the pieces together. over the course of months and several threads i have offered laptops, aircards, free EVDO service, corporate sponsorship (yuck), and a sub-optimal venue (called off two more venues waiting for final approval when johnny's came up). pretty much everything i put out there was shot down for good reasons and in a fairly democratic fashion :)
on tracking
everyone gets a fresh scorecard for each lap. differently shaped holepunchy things are tethered to roadsigns (checkpoints). you punch your own scorecard in the appropriate place with the particular holepuncher. circle takes the square.
I like it, simple and low
I like it, simple and low cost.
But will you need a month to test its effecicacy?
Sorry I'm getting punchy.
brillant
brillant
Punchs
Craft-type stores (Michaels) have cheap punches in a wide variety of shapes.
http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=sb0333&...
i can't use those
i'm jewish.
special needs
I'm going to start calling you special needs rachael - for fun if you like ;)
How about these?
http://www.createforless.com/InterchangeData/images/2/200212132257299b20...
I have a friend who is a Jew
I have a friend who is a Jew for Jesus. I'll have him give you a call to show you that you can.
you all are way too uptight.
you all are way too uptight. i'm only serious about half of the time.
>i'm only serious about half
>i'm only serious about half of the time
So are any of us.
I'm only half serious
half of the time, so I'm just quarter serious.
Naaaaaaah
Come on? How can any mention of Jews for Jesus be anything other than funny?
so no people at the check
so no people at the check points? yon't think people punching their own cards will be easily abused? i could see someone stealing the punches, or knowing that we purchased them at michael's, bringing their own for a more leisurely paced endeavor.
also october 21st would be totally awesome for a date, because my foot will probably be healed by then and i can ride!
suspects
we could hide them from the general public a little and wouldn't the last person to turn in a card with that missing hole punch be pretty suspect? no one wants to be that person...
if they decide to buy their own and opt for a race of leisure... they're just lame and karma will find them out.
oh, glad to hear the foot is on the mend. btw - i could work with the 21st but it sounds like johnny's can't?
Highfives to Austin for
Highfives to Austin for providing options!
Austin, is there any way you
Austin, is there any way you could see if the places you were talking to would be options for the original date, or is it just too damn late?
yes!
+1
analog wins again.
analog wins again.
KISS
KEEP
IT
SIMPLE
STUPID
Good stuff.
<edit?>
note time of posts... i wasn't giving myself a +1 as that would clearly be dickhead move. however, i did give rachael's idea a +1. thanks Dfunk!
sorry im out of the loop but curious anyways...
how many people attended last years event?
how many people are expected to attend this year?
whatever the date is, i think there needs to be at least a month of solid advertising in order to make the event as big as possible.
i know im not in atlanta all the time but if there's any thing i can do to help let me know (internet advertising, athens advertising, etc).
ps: if the race is the first or second weekend in october, im totally there! fall break woo!
thank you whitney!
thank you whitney!
everyone give me like 3 days
i am pulling with the might of the gods to get this rabbit out of my ass....uh i mean hat. please spend the rest of the time with:
1.) sponsors
2.) beer donation
3.) food donation
4.) tracking/no tracking/ skip's idea of "x number of check points and whatever path you take in between them is part of the race"
5.) t shirt design
6.) possible advertising strategies especially last minute guerilla style things
i think we can get these taken care of w/out and date or home base set. The two sets are completely decoupled.
in other words, create ads
in other words, create ads that send people to the website and when a date and location is set we'll post it there.
route suggestion
I just got a route proposal in from justin and skip
Dawn and I are doing the wednesday night ride (which is tonight) and can maybe test it out if anyone wants to come out that normally does not. (7pm san francisco coffee between north and ponce) i don't have one of those fancy map things... sorry.
basicly starting from johnny's the route suggestion would be...
right on to Highland from johnny's parking lot
left at Randolph
right onto edgewood - check point somewhere
merge onto Marietta - check point
right onto Spring
to west peachtree
to Peachtree - check point
Baker -maned checkpoint at corner of piedmont and baker(by skip/justin)
Baker turns into N.Highland and then back to johnny's.
in addition... Hessdog wants to sponsor the race aswell and are willing to put in time to make it happen...
So I rode this proposal this
So I rode this proposal this morning in the rain...
Great route, fast safe and mostly streets will murge with each other.. very straight forward.. a little construction on West peach tree but there are really wide lanes.... 9.1 miles so it's a little short.
I would suggest taking a left out of johnny's on to Highland going towards the highlands
right onto North or Freedom pky
right onto Morland through little 5
right onto Euclid
Murge onto Edgewood and then start their route from there... this would add a familure and safe extention that keeps a circle
also Baker from Peachtree is a oneway street until it hits peidmont... (not the way we need to head back to johnny's)
I would take a left onto Ralph Mcgill from peachtree then a right onto peidmont then left onto baker to avoid going the wrong way on a one way.... I ride down baker alot going home from peachtree so it wouldn't bother me but for everyone else i wouldn't want them to do something really illeagle. it's the same difference of distance but adds a extra right turn.
skip and justin are still racing even if they do the checkpoint...
the punch system sounds good... should we have extras that are different incase one comes up missing? that way if one is taken we can tell from the cards where the new punch was introduced?
Piedmont also goes the wrong
Piedmont also goes the wrong way for that. How about left on Harris, left on Piedmont, right on Baker?
it doesn't ... i rode it
it doesn't ... i rode it this morning to make sure
courtland is the one that is the wrong way
No, I used to live down
No, I used to live down there, I drive it all the time & I have ridden it as well. Piedmont goes Northbound. Ralph McGill is North of Baker. Courtland goes southbound.
i guess everyone will find
i guess everyone will find out tonight.
*shrug*
The one way arrows are on Austin's map.
I commuted through there to Marietta for two years.
both of them are the wrong
both of them are the wrong way ... i was in a hurry as i am in now and didn't get to read everything closely... baker is a one way street from piedmont to peachtree center .... either way it will be missed ... sorry for the confusion. i think harris is blocked off.
if the route is continued on to peachtree after the peachtree center split to another cross street other than Baker a left can be made on to piedmont where baker can be picked up comming from the legal direction...
the thought was so that dangerous corner of Boulavard can be avoided along ralph mcgill. there is also a cut though street before the corner that interscets Boulavard but it is really dark at night.
i think
harris is going through some construction right now.
it was a few weeks ago, but maybe not at the intersection to which you refer.
On the side of the Hyatt,
On the side of the Hyatt, yeah, but how long will that last?
Given the time of the previous post,
Given the time of the previous post, I'm gonna go ahead and assume alcohol was involved, because even the thought of two very strong riders (Skip and Justin) manning a checkpoint for 24hrs strikes me as pretty much insane.
These guys should be in the race. period.
Now the speed with which this proposal arrives, I think only goes to prove my point that we have sufficient time to pull this deal off.
Just weeks ago I spoke to Skip about what it took them to pull the Justin Parker deal together, and it was mere days.
Basically our only option is 9/30-10/1, because:
9/23 - Velodrome
10/7 - Another race
10/14 - Gotta show love to FM/Sopo, Rachael played by the rules.
10/21 - Johnny's not available, Bridgeday, its getting too cold
So Stephanie just call the guy at Johnny's and explain that a simple mistake has been wrt to event dates, and then lets put a bowtie on the deal.
who is going to the 24 hours
who is going to the 24 hours mt bike race?
cdrake is the only one so far that is possible going.
Is there a team going this year? it would suck to have key racers out.
abigail is moving and chritopher is hurt.
me + kurt + donald + xtopher
me + kurt + donald + xtopher (then he broke his ankle but hes still planning on hanging out) + another guy from skate escape + whoever we get to fill xtophers place, probably would be someone that would also be doing the FM24
re: mere days
how many people made it out to the justin parker race?
not alot, maybe 30-40. The
not alot, maybe 30-40.
The problem there was that the event was scheduled late and the date conflicted with an FM wedding, so turn out was ~half of the 666 race.
Frankly nobody knows how many people will ever showup.
Past experience says that when a project is behind teh 8-ball, waiting/delay doesn't help, it just prolongs the evitable.
Venue, again
Guys, the ideas above on the tracking system (payphones, punch cards, etc) are all really great sounding. As for the punch cards, we can easily make them theft-proof.
Dawn,
Stephanie said that Johnny's is not available on Oct 21st because of the halloween parade. Is this true? Also, the 15th is a Sopo event. What about October 7th? I know its soon, but I see a lot of momentum here and I think it could work. Will that date work for Johnny's? I love Johnny's and I would hate to lose that opportunity.
Toomanyaustins and Rachael: lets talk about the tracking system. We get 6-7 hole punchers, chain them to poles at check points, print lap cards with pre-printed spots to punch your hole. Different color cards for each lap: Yellow=1 Blue=2 etc. We monitor the distribution of the cards. YES YES YES!
Guerciotti: this tracking system IS independent of the route. The only thing necessary is for us to know the route a few days in advance so we can place the hole punchers around town and print the lap cards.
7th is also 24 hrs @ Conyers
That being known and with all things considered, the 7th might be the lucky date IF we are lucky enough to get a location/Johnny's ? I'm hoping the conyers race would only affect a negligible amount of people.
im going to be a real
im going to be a real unhappy camper if I have to pick between conyers and the FM one. I thought that weekend was a definite no go because of that event going on.
awwww shit
I forgot the conyers race is that weekend.
I think every weekend is bad for some people.
each checkpoint
should have a template so that even if someone cheats with the hole punchers, they have to go to the checkpoint to punch them in the correct configuration.
personally though, I like the poodle idea.
team checkpoint charlie
yes. yes. yes. i also like paul's suggestion of a template at each checkpoint so people can't get their card just right without actually visiting the sanctioned puncher.
i hearby volunteer to be on charlie's team which will concentrate on the route/checkpoint/logistics. i think we are testing a route tonight and i'm open to riding with folks any night to test more routes... our team can take the responsibility of following through with lap cards, hole punchers, securing checkpoints, securing hole punchers and templates, etc...
i'm starting a new thread specifically for route/checkpoint/logistics. join me over there!
can we get a marketing department (t-shirts/flyers), a pre-registration focus group (website/process), and a concrete date/venue? (i'm personally pulling for johnny's on sept 30th as i will be out of town the first two weekends in oct - but that is just my personal problem i guess. just sort of funny to me since i planned my trips especially on those weekends since the race date was decided a while back)
this is starting to remind me of those awful group projects in college where no one did their assignments and now we are faced with a lowered letter grade so that we can turn the project in a week later. bummer....there goes my scholarship.
the sopo event is on Friday
the sopo event is on Friday the 13th... is there another one planned for the 15th... i didn't see it posted?
Stephanie
Stephanie,
Can you list all the available dates from Johnny's?
We've got momentum, and things are happening in parallel now, but the date bugaboo remains. How can we finesse the scheduling?